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Based on my experience, this public story should be seen as somewhat inevitable in how they operate. Analogously, there are certain qualities that police forces screen for, to hopefully screen out bullies who want a uniform. What do you think, Albuquerque? I think those that experience an event that is very bad or painful are often the lucky ones because you really cant second guess leaving. . My old church Gateway has atmosphere teams in services to emotionally manipulate members and visitors. Has he asked them to forgive him? if mark is truly repentant than this sermon is him explaining how he persecuted and publicly stoned stephen to death which was actually mark stoning Jesus to death publicly and with no remorse. The church had 15 locations in five states. Im all for forgiveness but this complete whitewash of history when someone offers up an opportunistic Im sorry is not something I see in day to day life. Having heard MDs messages for several years now, I believe he is trying to lead people into thinking its about him. Sincerely want to know what the alternative is. Same goes for singles. Its just too lucrative of a franchise, you dont want to lose that. They really believe that God has anointed the leaders to lead them. Why should we bother with reading history or learning the truth? They didnt fail. He was not participating in stonings. Lindell needs to state, specifically, what has been written about Driscoll that is a lie, because he is in effect calling all the victims and the 40 pastors/elders who filed formal charges against MD liars. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. Im honored that Marks here so I dont want anybody reading what Im saying as some kind of disclaimer or apology. None of them see anything wrong with this. "Homosexual activity will lead to destruction. Assemblies of God (USA) Official Web Site | Church In his sermon, Lindell cites several verses to make his No. I think people on all sides of these conflicts did some pretty horrendous things, as well as some decent things. There will be a day of reckoning. The US pastor, who has courted controversy for what has been dubbed his "more-macho-than-thou" brand of Christianity, resigned from his Seattle megachurch in October after being found " guilty of pride" as well as abusive, controlling and manipulative behaviour. Did you miss a tithe payment? Its all good until (insert question or issue). And Jesus said He would send the Spirit of Truth, how we deal with situations in truth or deceitfulness is very telling. Here me in this, the issue is Jesus. now it seems that it has just gone to big business making a dollar off of Jesus name and some easy to quote scriptures. As for my outsider perspective he seems like someone youd want as a pastor if you wanted to get big and have lots of revenue streams. The world has a lot higher standards and integrity than the whole xtian celebrity machine put together, and the internet helps everyone to see that. ), Odd how we often tend to read these things as definitive acvounts, when in reality, there are hints of many other things that go unmentioned. I also have recently spoken to another ministry leader involved in orphan care in Africa. Youll see they have no standards regarding truth, salt of light. THANK YOU! -Katelyn @ Nancy: What I do really pray for is that the followers start questioning and thinking about what they support and find freedom in their own seeking of Christ instead of following a guru and his interpretations. He apparently had many nicknames during the course of his life, but became known by Che. It is not short for chancho.. Pastor daddy Mike Baker is furious and says he's been mistreated-"slander," etc. Glassdoor provides our best prediction for total pay in today's job market, along with other types of pay like cash bonuses, stock bonuses, profit sharing, sales commissions, and tips. If I were Satan I would give the Wormwood who came up with that system a big raise (or give away their books so theyd get a fat royalty check ; ). I still dont think he understands the harms he has done. I respectfully dissent, Evangelical NIH director Francis Collins says 'most churches' should be remote until public is vaccinated. The mighty Kari Jobe is featured in some of the faking it videos they play in the classes. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. "It is possible for someone who has been a life-long alcoholic to stop. #driscollreturns paul most influential christian wrote most books this explains marks love of also writing books. Internet users are also shielded from much of GW reality. Training ourselves to sense right from wrong based on the Word of God and empowered by the Holy Spirit will result in a clear conscience.. I dont think many realize that in order to have real repentance they would have to give all that up. This is largely shielded from television audiences who only view a heavily edited 22 minute message. In 2010, Outreach magazine listed James River as one of the fastest-growing churches in America. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. ++++++++++++++++. Like the guy who was in charge of SGM, he got away scot-free and is doing well for himself despite the outcry against him. In your mega travels, Lydia, whats the biggest honorarium from tithe dollars you have been privy to? Lydia wrote: That is largely what TWW does, ISTM. Ive seen desensitizing have the desired effect and its not pretty. We need to be just absolutely rigorously adherent to things that we know work. Pastors that dont understand the devestation they cause by playing God in peoples lives, especially women and childrens lives, have no business calling themselves christians and certainly shouldnt be in positions where people might think they are speaking for God Himself when they tell them how to live. Somebody cited a study that the most common characteristic of a Sociopath (well over 90%) was successfully Playing the Victim Card when caught. The reason for this is that he wept, his remorse was written on his face for months and he still is remorseful, he didnt once make any excuse for his behavior, he accepted responsiblility and reached out to the family of the victim. To tell, perhaps? MD should never have been a pastor based on how much contempt he has for his fellow man. he was in glory then entered into human. I think Dr Fundy left out the irony/sarcasm tags introduced with HTML 5.5. She came to me in sorrow that she walked away from a relationship with Agathos after that Mars Hill warning.. Im so used to the megas Velcro bars where they only care about you if they can slap some Velcro on you to make you come back so you can become a tithe payer. And as long as they do, it will continue. I find it telling that it contains 41 mentions of "sin," "sinners" and "sinfulness.". If so associating with Driscoll they can get the thug part down. Its easy to be friendly, humble, attentive, polite, , to your peers and to your superiors. i think He has some Jesus in him, it just gets mixed up with other stuff. Posted by NancyAlcorn at 1:06 PM 2 comments. shuning is not always done professionally as in TVC but so often done whisperingly in churches but the effect is the same to the person shunned. It is affiliated with Assemblies of God USA. In my opinion Gateway is a cult not a church so they lose their Winters Bone protection status. It shows also in our perception of ourselves and others when we still have areas of sin. Having a large following for a while, being insulated from most of reality, produces this result. . I hope you encourage them to visit TWW. How can a reasonable person look past that? If, as a teacher, you realise that you hate students, you must give up your job and find something else. At least at one point, women made up about 50% to 50% of most churches. Not that I dont admire Saul/Paul. Its really big in Charismatic/Pentecostal circles I think mainly because they are more predisposed to bad behavior (think TBN and Daystar whackos). He said it makes sense that the word "sin" would appear multiple times in a Biblical discussion of homosexuality. What I do really pray for is that the followers start questioning and thinking about what they support and find freedom in their own seeking of Christ instead of following a guru and his interpretations. There are some Calvinists who go in the opposite direction and are very humbled by their monergistic view of salvation. I think that the only way to self regulate is to have benchmarks that people must reach to be in leadership positions. Galatians 5:22-23. It was really bad, disastrous I might even say. For all the lack of American Idol production values I learned more in that one day of teaching at that little church then I did in all the years I attended Gateway. At some point, with enough outcry and rage from outside, they may hopefully see it as you did looking up at that 3 x 5 card on your bulletin. Many teach that when Paul said he was chief of all sinners he was claiming to be as evil as he always was. Unfortunately I dont see loose associations of Christ followers functioning in my locale but I continually find more dones, those done with institutional church. He diverts attention from the real purpose, the Gospel, to himself. Unfortunately I dont see loose associations of Christ followers functioning in my locale but I continually find more dones, those done with institutional church. Whenever I hear Mark Driscolls name, a passage keeps popping in my mind Beware of Alexander the coppersmith he has done us much harm. Driscoll and his potty-mouth preaching made an everlasting mark on 21st century church in America. Our heart at James River Church has always been to minister to people in our community. Mark pretty much mandated participation in weekly Life Groups plus you had to use their social media platform The City to stay connected. If others havent heard this song yet, give it a try and see what you think. 15 But the Lord said to Ananias, Go! Also it is not where you sit in rows and hear a weekly lecture. This guy has lists on his page in bulleted form: Hi Nancy, I am a graduate from Sydney and I just want to say thank you so very much for making Mercy a possibility for girls like myself to be able to go to here in Australia, it has truly saved my life and given me a future. 13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. But here is the underlying issue: we in evangelical Christianity have become so good at eisogeting the scriptures (reading ourselves into the story) it has gotten to the point of narcissism, or as one preacher puts it, narcigesis., Dont believe me? Also, there is a difference, IMO, between forgiveness and trust restoration. He dropped the moral bar for both pulpit and pew that has far reaching consequences on the way we do church. Love, . And did he threaten to punch Pastor Lindell in the nose and throw him under the bus if he wasnt given the gig? He is a draw. It was so heretical that even the MH staff saw issues and took it down. Hope youll give us another try and check out some other articles. saul walks onto the stage of history. His Father owns the cattle on a thousand hills and Jesus never asked a single person for a single penny. The Rev. . Persecuted, but You cant criticize me for a moment. I am haunted by that infamous message where he appeared to use a Bible passage to describe what was about to happen to two Mars Hill elders. It is possible for somebody who has a cutting tongue and a big mouth to stop. His messages change in content, but not in root meaning. and that it is ok to debate that point in public. My guess is that their Calvinism isnt the root problem here. Others obviously put a lot more emphasis on organizational structures, so they might see things differently. @ sam: The best thing about it is one young woman had incredible courage. So I can see why some churches would want him on board. Do your part with the people in your life, give to your church, beyond that have a global heart for widows, orphans, the poor and those in need, I am going to ask you to support some widows and orphans in Africa, We have an orphanage, we have a villagemembers of Mars Hill have actually moved there to take care of widows and orphans.. your post is so right LT, the whole post, and it really needs to be said again and again. @ sam: They didnt fail. @ LT: This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. If the denominational system is rejected on doctrinal grounds, that only leaves the congregation. So, if he became a member of a church, attended that for a while, accepting to do all kinds of unglamorous jobs that church members often do for their church, apprenticed with a pastor in a mainline church, where the position of pastor has a lot less power, tried to reconcile with the people he treated the worst well, maybe. I study a lot of the giant DFW megas but most of my data is still filtered through the Gateway lens. This was not due to the kindness of the elders (who told us we could not leave because we were under church discipline). Newer ones have theater seating or individual chairs. He is a draw. or barred from the league for having too many technichal fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct and yelling at the referees for too many seasons. They are not good for him, and he not good for the people he leads. Mark also provided the all important yet elusive authentic community so long as you bow to him and stay on his good size. Lindell reused the Robert Morris line of chiding his congregation to stop shooting the wounded. James River Church attenders should google What happens if you get a bad teacher. vinegar is disinfectant for wiping yourself. The true character of a man shows when you see how he treats those with less power who depend on him for his income. So many use Ches image as some sort of inspirational symbol. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1989926/posts They have a very different take on the fulfillment of prophecy that you may enjoy learning as a contrast with your own beliefs. What is tragic is that these events will lead everyone who has two braincells to rub together to come to the following default conclusions: If there are reports of a scandal or problems at a church, they are true. The way I see things may be different in that I see the individuals in the Kingdom being more important than mediating organizations in the church universal. Thats exactly what I was thinking last weekend! . His style appealed to the carnal nature of 21st century Christians he gave them what they wanted and they loved it so. James River Church, a multi-campus, 17,000-member megachurch in Missouri, is now fending off strong criticism from the public and health officials after pictures posted on social media showed what appear to be hundreds of unmasked people, practicing very little social distancing packed inside their Springfield location to participate in Christmas services. 6100 N 19th St Ozark, MO 65721 Directions. But it would be encouraging if they did. Pouring? Let's see. A cynical, weary part of me says theyll never change. How about when people stone you for your faith? The he takes him back to Antioch where they work together for a year with converted Gentiles. Vulgarity and filth get fed to us little by little until we hardly notice weve ignored those first red flags and become part and parcel of the heresy. perhaps, assuming cunning strategy on the part of MD and Mark Demoss: *this sector of christainworld is the path of least resistance (especially since from others comments the YRR/reformed world has disowned him). He had simply accepted the rumors. Its kind of like that movie Winters Bone where the communities are closed to a fault. I wish he would try to get a corporate communications job or something though. I think many. They want their congregations and the world at large to believe that there are no amount of misdeeds that a pastor can perform, no matter how egregious, that means they shouldnt be instantly forgiven and returned to the pulpit ASAP. helpful or even hopeful in terms of my eternal afterlife. I would hope we should higher standards than that. But I did find this on the IRS website: A tax-exempt organization "may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.". Returning so soon to the limelight reinforces the idea that it really is all about Mark. The worst of all the bad these churches can do (apart from sexual assaults) is brainwashing the kids into their cult beliefs so that they will not accept the true Word of God at a later date. Its the same game he has played. Gateway also directly lifted the slogan every number has a name, every name has a story.. spiel verbatim from Perry Nobles NewSpring to try to distract from the reality that every member is seen as a giving unit number (no attribution to Perry, of course). was paul asking for forgiveness? They are not good for him, and he not good for the people he leads. He is listening for your litl sweet voice! I agree with you there, but I wonder, how popular is this hyper macho brand of Christianity anymore? I find that when the Lord is using my mouth it is never vulgar or rude. The question is not, Can he be forgiven? but rather Should he be trusted in a position of power over peoples lives? I would guess that many of the people who have been directly harmed by him have forgiven him. Tom Lane already draws a massive six figure salary yet it is never enough. Over the next two Sundays he will continue to remind people to vote Yes and to take a Yes sign for their yard. Marks of a bully, and definitely not qualifications of an elder. Yet its everywhere in the US and Australia. "A missionary is a qualified Christian sent out under the authority of a local church to an area of recognized need in order to pursue the work of the Great Commission." If the congregation, the pew sitter as you say, cannot do it what does that leave? Driscoll was never really qualified to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the first place he proved that time and time again by his un-Christlike behavior in word and action. I dont think theres been any repentance at all. Thats how reasonable people see past the wicked. some things i noticed are in (parenthesis) . Now the floodgates will open wide now that his massive deception becomes public knowledge in Australia and the UK. Could Driscoll really appeal to people now using his Macho Man shtick? Churches are tax-exempt. With this much covidiocy in the country, we are proving ourselves to be the dumbest nation on earth. this discussion you make today determines your destiny, God wants you to forgive. What a waste of a ministry! But I am surprised he delivered his message from on high the pulpit. Just volunteers. They sing and wave their arms and hug and praise other givers. I hope others will join in at places like this blog and help shed light on local megas in their area. An event of this magnitude, indoors and in such close proximity, combined with case numbers where they are and our hospitals full, could be devastating, he said. Oh no. I think it underestimates those believers in the pews who are, themselves, filled with the Spirit and do exhibit the fruit of Galations 5. there is a scripture somewhere that says i wont speak against Gods annointed, which was david re saul i believe, and people have used this (or churches have used this to keep people quiet) as a reason to never say anything about church abuse. Mark pretty much mandated participation in weekly Life Groups plus you had to use their social media platform The City to stay connected. And Ive certainly heard many tales of people who were awful people moving onto ministry later on in life. In October, he resigned as head pastor from Mars Hill, a Seattle megachurch with a Sunday attendance of 13,000. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/07/hillsong-pastor-brian-houston-found-fathers-sex-abuse-confession-agonising He was a mass murdering thug. Then the authentic community unravels like a cheap Walmart sweater. This has nothing to do with the recent downfall of Mark and demise of Mars Hill. I completely understand why you are so skeptical. ", Meanwhile, here's what was communicated 'Down Under' "Houston, we have a problem.". The women say as part of the program they were taught to believe that they were possessed by the devil, and have since been forced to receive years of professional psychiatric treatment. Because he simply cannot be trusted not to repeat himslefthus destroying more lives. It was like my eyes were open. Not here to argue about this, just pointing it out. Just show-biz. This guy had his audience eating out of the palms of his hands. Some of it probably is. In attempting to keep us from leaving they recruited the largest donor to Agathos (who was also a large donor to Mars Hill Church) to encourage us to stay. Join Us As we Welcome Our Speaker, Apostle Mark Driscoll, The Forgiven. They are relinquishing 10-20% of their gross income. People think that Christians want filled pews and big churches, most do, i strongly disagree with that. They stirred up the people now the mob is forming. If you become used to a certain standard of living, that does not mean you are entitled to that standard of living. @ Gus: (?) As the CEO of MHC was MD completely unaware of what was going on with the Global Fund? The problem is that the average pew-sitter has no idea what things a leader should be judged by, and they merely judge based on either looks, speaking ability, or how fun the service is. . . James River Church Reverend John E Lindell. Good point as far as it goes. They are described as brilliant. I just took a year of online classes at one of them. I guess Calvinism for these guys means never having to take personal responsibility Thats certainly how Driscoll has handled things. hmmm It is all choreographed and it works! If his values were disdained he would have a far better chance of turning away from the corruption that has engulfed his life so far. There is an old belief in bapto-evangelico circles that one of the criticisms that could for sure be said against certain other christian religious traditions is that they have priests and we do not, because they let the priests tell them what to do and influence them too much but in our way of doing things that does not happen. Mark Driscoll was totally missing those things. My Comment was Deleted I view it as wisdom. I didnt realize tens of thousands had already left. Do my eyes deceive me? i have been ousted from 6 churches already and at first i took it as me being in error and not able to understand the bible or what the Lord had called me to be like but now i am able to see that i can trust the still small voice inside and the Holy Spirit to give me understanding of the scriptures without having to run it by a pastor somewhere. He has lots of pics holding impoverished babies while his own 5 kids barely saw him. That is certainly not an idea they got from the Bible. I began to see him as a marketing expert, who was producing what the young Reformed, technology driven market would respond to, and then marketing it in excellent ways. And he was not originally trusted or met with open arms by the Jesus believers of the day. Its also called community in a box. In 2019, James River reported an average weekly attendance of 19,000,[1]making it one of the ten largest AG churches and one of the largest churches in Missouri (subsequently Springfield). Christian institutions are trying to express an organic Jesus in non-organic structures. sometimes i have hurt people because i have gotten caught up in the excitement of a new orginazation or enterprise but i have never been able to stay that way long, my conscience pricks me until i stop and go back and make things right with people i have hurt. Im fairly certain MD would enjoy being categorized with a so called revolutionary. He told me Tuesday that he has every right to campaign for repeal in a sermon. I cannot respect or support these men knowing that they revere such a man as a pastor. Gramp3 and I were recalling today the first time we ever heard Driscolls name brought up in a church. This stuff was high on the why we are how we are list back in the day. And Ive certainly heard many tales of people who were awful people moving onto ministry later on in life. what would you say and do (if they stoned you) angry mob is murdering him openly publicly and shamefully. But the dishonest churches can be relied upon to cry persecution. The ones leaving arent stupid. Here is Stephen facing public opposition. pastors that use their position to wreck peoples lives arent expected to go to jail or show tears publicly and thats ok if its not warranted but it is very reasonable for people to see something, anything, that looks like actual remorse before they think its ok for them to go back to influencing the lives of people. (glorifies paul. (Not that I waiting with bated breath). James River Church is located in the Springfield, MO! Judging a pastors or missionaries repentance is not being critical of pastors, its saying, this is a position that has really high moral qualifications and if you dont have them, get out of the pulpit. I arrived a little late here, and this has likely already been mentioned (I havent read all comments). In February 2008, less than two months after his promise not to abandon our orphans, we received a letter from Scott Thomas. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. Sorry, I dont know why I wrote that, Ive always thought of you as a him. This is why I said above I dont think Driscoll should even be allowed to go on speaking engagements, sell Christian books, or anything involving Christianity. I would lay 50 to 1 odds that a change in MD will be announced and proved to be a change in words not a change in behavior! where is Mark Driscolls apology to over a thousand children in two orphanages? No I wouldnt allow someone who was an embezzler or criminal back in charge, of course not. Certainly, or we are no better than he is. "In other words, you can believe what you want within the confines of the four walls of the church as long as you don't live it outside of the church.". @ Lydia: appeciate your posts and the others on this blog, i remember that, thanks Van, for the reminder. I dont think it is realistic. How do you see this as someone looking in? He is not going to go run to a car dealership the minute he gets out of jail. He is young and using Jesus is all he knows. i think that Jesus and God are Awesome, the only crisis i have been having is in my view of the world and the church. I had never heard someone talk like that. Mark also provided the all important yet elusive authentic community one person, after 6 months finally started to say why they didnt attend gateway anymore and it made me wonder why people dont warn others. I have no power over what Driscoll does and he is free to speak on any stage that will have him.

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